Repo man and whether or not other Methuselah see the library during search

Boris The Blade wrote:

Snodig wrote: Not sure what sort of people you play with, but I have to believe my players won't actively cheat.

And they never make mistakes either?

They certainly do, but mistakes are much easier to forgive. One can only hope they don’t do it again.

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You may now resume to the topic of card retrieval and possible issues.

TwoRazorReign wrote: Shouldn't the first problem fixed be Govern the Unaligned at superior? If one never influences out the target card, there's no way to know if the vampire is younger. Bloat all day, no one would know.

There is a similar issue in Magic the gathering and its worth nothing how it has been solved. Some magic cards have the ability "morph". This means that the card can be played face down for 3 generic mana, and is functionally a 2/2 colorless creature, which can be turned face-up by paying its morph cost.

Playing a card face down is only legal if the card actually has morph, but at a glance it might be possible to cheat by playing a non-morph card face down and never turn it up. How this is solved in magic rules is that players are required to show the un-turned morph card to the opponent after the game, to prove that they were not cheating and that the card actually has morph.

Perhaps same could be applied to VTES and superior governs (and similar action cards that require younger). Require players to show the vampire to opponent after the game to prove that it was in fact a younger vampire. This should be very simple and elegant solution. Many players might already do this, but you should add it to tournament rules imo.

We've already got rules in place for this: if you think someone's cheating via hidden information, you can call a judge to have them check that they're not.

Kushiel wrote: We've already got rules in place for this: if you think someone's cheating via hidden information, you can call a judge to have them check that they're not.

Well, I mean, that's a tournament rule. What if it happens in casual play? Granted, I've never had any cheating issues happen in VTES because I simply don't play it often, but I've come across cheating of this sort many times in other games. I'd really like to avoid a situation after the game where it's like "show me the card" and the person is like "no."

TwoRazorReign wrote: What if it happens in casual play?

If they've cheated, or refuse to show the card (or even the capacity hiding everything else under the palm/another card), you flip the table in a rage.

"We don't like THAT kind of game play around this neck of woods, pardner! So anyone caught red handed involved in foul play will be tarred and feathered" (aka. "Saunan takana on aina tilaa..." aka "kokeillaanpa Pohjalaasta issepuolustosmuotoa eli sakiinhivutusta")

Or you can just quit playing with such people who are causing such suspicions. Especially during _casual_ play...