Secure Haven - "Target"
Cost: 1 pool
Master: unique location. Haven.
Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions. Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have only one haven.
Tend the Flock
Master.
Choose a ready, untapped, infernal Baali you control. Move 3 pool from the bank to a younger infernal vampire in your uncontrolled region.
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So if you didn't have to choose, you could have a 5 cap Baali in play and be able to put 3 counters on a 10 cap infernal vampire.
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Secure haven increases the cost of Tend the flock by 1.
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markeeuu wrote: No because the text states "Choose" and not target.The reason is that the card's text only works if the uncontrolled vampire is younger, therefore you need to let everyone know that the card is being played by a Baali with capacity X, putting blood on infernal vampire with capacity < X
So if you didn't have to choose, you could have a 5 cap Baali in play and be able to put 3 counters on a 10 cap infernal vampire.
This is irrelevant to the topic though. The topic question is does "choose" count as "targeting". Apparently in VTES it does.
The current wording of secure haven has:
"Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion."
Personally I wouldn't make the tend the flock cost extra since tend the flock doesn't use the word "target" nor is it technically played on the vampire ("Play on an infernal vampire"). But this is a problem with tend the flock's wording. If you consider how the card is supposed to be used it should cost extra.
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- it is chosen ("choose...")
- it is the target of a
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LSJ wrote: > Choosing is not targetting -none of these cost anything.
Incorrect.
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