file The Secret Must Be Kept - Rules Clarification

16 Oct 2013 23:21 #55396 by erewego
Funny situation in last game I played.

I want to cycle this card but there are no allies or retainers in play.

Card Text:
The Secret Must Be Kept
Requires a Laibon
Choose an ally or a retainer. If the acting Laibon is a magaji, choose up to two allies or retainers. Successful referendum means the chosen allies and retainers are burned, and their controllers burn 1 pool (each methuselah burns no more than 1 pool, regardless of the number of allies and retainers chosen).

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So I interpreted this as: if I have a laibon and there are no allies or retainers I cannot play it. BUT if I have a magaji, I can CHOOSE UP TO two allies... and ZERO is on the way "up to" two, so then I can play it.

The cycle was pretty moot in the game but I figured I should ask. Is this the correct interpretation?

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16 Oct 2013 23:26 #55397 by Juggernaut1981
The first sentence requires you to choose one. So to meet the text of the first sentence you must choose one. If you are a magaji, you must choose one (1st sentence) and you may choose up to two (2nd sentence).

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16 Oct 2013 23:35 #55398 by the1andonlime
Huh.
Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?

If that's the case, I have been reading this wrong all this while...


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17 Oct 2013 04:09 #55400 by Ankha

the1andonlime wrote: Huh.
Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?

If that's the case, I have been reading this wrong all this while...

I think there's an "instead" missing.

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17 Oct 2013 05:30 #55402 by jamesatzephyr

Juggernaut1981 wrote: The first sentence requires you to choose one. So to meet the text of the first sentence you must choose one. If you are a magaji, you must choose one (1st sentence) and you may choose up to two (2nd sentence).


Incorrect.

A Magaji can choose zero. [LSJ 20080620]

LSJ wrote: > Also, if The Secret Must Be Kept is called by a Magaji, and zero
> allies/retainers are chosen, the vote is still conducted normally, and
> if it passes, Voter Cap can still be played, right? I think yes.
Sure.


the1andonlime wrote: Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?


It's not correct. As above, a Magaji can choose zero. It's implicitly been ruled to be one sentence or the other, not both.
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17 Oct 2013 06:13 #55404 by the1andonlime
Pascal, can we officially add in the "instead" into the card text?
I know it's a trivial thing, but it is a small change that make the text much, much clearer.


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