Which is the problem: blood creation or recursion?

With the recurring debates around Villein, Lilith's Blessing, Minion Tap, Giants' Blood and so on, it seems that maybe as a community we need to at least discuss/debate:


Is the creation of pool 'from nothing', in quantities greater than a basic hunt, a problem for competitive VTES with time limits?


Is the recursion of blood back to pool, in quantities greater than 1 per Master Card (i.e. Blood Doll/Vessel Rate), a problem for competitive VTES with time limits?

(I would like this to have been a Poll as well, but apparently my bbcode-fu is weak at the moment).

Juggernaut1981 wrote: (I would like this to have been a Poll as well, but apparently my bbcode-fu is weak at the moment).

Polls are only allowed in the Polling forum.
When you start a new post there, the Poll button turns on, it shows up between the eBay link and the video link buttons (it looks like a bar chart).

Juggernaut1981 wrote: Is the creation of pool 'from nothing', in quantities greater than a basic hunt, a problem for competitive VTES with time limits?

Yes, and ...

Juggernaut1981 wrote: Is the recursion of blood back to pool, in quantities greater than 1 per Master Card (i.e. Blood Doll/Vessel Rate), a problem for competitive VTES with time limits?

... yes. I thinks so. But nerfing methods of pool/blood gain is not the only way to deal with this. An alternative is to make more aggressive play viable, for example combat or stronger crypt acc.

But of course, this is a delicate balance.