Played some VTES with Paradox

Ashur wrote: Yes, I understand OBS. So preferably someone else (themself or maybe assisted by VEKN) would have to take that icon/cardback-discussion with WotC before getting into VTES-printing. Anyone know anyone who are interested?

Well, OBS had long discussions with WotC, and it turned out that WotC aren't interested .

So it appears at this stage that anyone who wants WotC's consent for a revamp/republish/continuation is probably out of luck - unless you can find someone reasonably senior at Hasbro/WotC who'd be willing to take the project on and is likely to stick around for, say, the next three to five years.

Of course, if someone went ahead with a reprint without WotC's consent, it is entirely possible that WotC/Hasbro wouldn't sue anyone. It is entirely possible that if they did sue anyone, the case wouldn't stand up in court. It is entirely possible that if the case did stand up in court, it would be trivial to settle. But if Hasbro did decide to sue your pants off, you would probably rack up very large legal bills in the process.

Does anyone remember when ffg announced a vampire game and Garfeild though they were rebooting vtes?
If we had paradox on board, and Garfield even marginally interested in saying a few nice things about us getting printed, we could in theory gain more ground. Kickstarter may still be needed, but its a solid attempt.

Fantasy Flight Games, from what information was out there, appeared to be not interested in bringing back V:TES, but rather creating a new CCG using the WoD IP. it is unknown outside of FFG why they backed out. With the acquisition of WWP by Paradox, I wouldn't be at all surprised if FFG has approached Paradox already.

How long can we afford to hope that Wizards get on board somehow? Maybe it is time to think a bout a reboot that would not involve Wizards instead.

Trust me, I've been thinking about it for months now. The thing is, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure most people here are completely opposed to the idea of a reboot of the game, particularly one that is incompatible with V:TES.

To be completely honest with you all, my personal preference is to relaunch V:TES as follows:
- overhauled rules so that things finally make proper mechanical sense
- a smaller card base that we can re-expand into over time
- in line with Paradox's One World of Darkness vision and direction
- new icons, card backs, and whatever else is needed to cut out Wizards entirely
- remains compatible with existing V:TES

It's that last bit that's tricky with respect to whether it triggers a lawsuit from Wizards, and that is a probable deal-breaker for potential publishers. If we can't find a publisher for that concept, then we really need to look at making a new, non-V:TES-compatible game.

jamesatzephyr wrote: So it appears at this stage that anyone who wants WotC's consent for a revamp/republish/continuation is probably out of luck - unless you can find someone reasonably senior at Hasbro/WotC who'd be willing to take the project on and is likely to stick around for, say, the next three to five years.

I don´t really get this thing, how do you mean? I´m sure nobody thinks WotC should be an active part in this. We just want them to promise not to sue anyone.

Contacting Richard Garfield is an excellent idea, whatever route is chosen. I´m sure he likes his game to live on, and he might be able to place a word somewhere where it´s needed.