Cards Removed from Game and the Ashheap

23 Jun 2019 10:24 #95577 by beslin igor

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Ankha wrote: There are two rules to know:
1) when you are ousted, all cards you control are removed from the game
2) by default, if you play a card on a minion, you control it if it's a master card, otherwise the controller of the minion controls it.

Control can different if the card says so (Coven, Mind Numb etc.)

So if A play Vesel or discipline master on B,if A ousted Vesel and master are burned,and if B ousted cards goes in A ash heap?

And can you confirm about this: If A play on B (actualy minion of B player): Vesel,any master discipline,Disarm,Anathema,and B steal from A: Secure haven,and any weapon or retainer,what be happen if: B is still in play but minion who control these cards from A is burned? also if you burn 3 blood to burn Disarm,where Disarm goes?

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23 Jun 2019 15:12 #95578 by Ankha

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beslin igor wrote:
Ankha wrote: There are two rules to know:
1) when you are ousted, all cards you control are removed from the game
2) by default, if you play a card on a minion, you control it if it's a master card, otherwise the controller of the minion controls it.

Control can different if the card says so (Coven, Mind Numb etc.)

So if A play Vesel or discipline master on B,if A ousted Vesel and master are burned

No, they are removed from the game.

beslin igor wrote: and if B ousted cards goes in A ash heap?

Correct.

beslin igor wrote: And can you confirm about this: If A play on B (actualy minion of B player): Vesel,any master discipline,Disarm,Anathema,and B steal from A: Secure haven,and any weapon or retainer,what be happen if: B is still in play but minion who control these cards from A is burned?

They all go to their owner's ash heap: A.

beslin igor wrote: also if you burn 3 blood to burn Disarm,where Disarm goes?

To its owner's ash heap: A

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23 Jun 2019 21:07 #95581 by Boris The Blade

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beslin igor wrote: Ankha,you cannot imagine how much people make mistake about Coven,and probably other similar stuff about ash heap and removed!!!!!

Because the current rule adds unnecessary complication. Burning is the default way cards leave play. Removing from the game is only used when there is a reason to (most often to prevent recursion sheenanigans.) There is a very good reason to remove cards owned by a dying player from the game: to let him pack and go home. There is no such need for cards owned by other players in the dying player's play areas, no matter who controls them.

Then there are the cards owned by the dying player but under someone else's control, for which there is no perfect solution: either you have to proxy when the player wants to pick up his cards, or you have to accept that some guy's arm suddenly grows back because the dude who ripped it off is leaving.

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