Tygerius allegiance counters and going Anarch

I asume same happens if Tegyrius somehow gets removed from play?

Ankha wrote: There is a distinction between a vampire who changes sect, and a vampire who "is considered" a given sect.

Perhaps we should treat "is considered" like Mata Hari or Vlad's ability instead. A simple ruling update could make that happen (with 30-day window, etc.).

Another option is to make Tegyrius and Writ of Acceptance consistent with the anarch cards and add a "burn the counter / equipment if this vampire changes sects" clause.

It will make Tegyrius' text rather long, though.

Ankha wrote:

kschaefer wrote:

Ankha wrote: There is a distinction between a vampire who changes sect, and a vampire who "is considered" a given sect.

Perhaps we should treat "is considered" like Mata Hari or Vlad's ability instead.

What are you suggesting? That the vampire could play cards that require Camarilla "as if", while retaining their sect?

I haven't fully thought out all of the implications, but in short, yes.

"is considered" is close to "as if" (a fair reading without foreknowledge could have both be ruled functionally similar) and could simplify the game by reducing the extra overhead and consolidating these older cards using the new consistent terms/rulings.

These older cards (Writ and Tegyrius) simply don't follow the more modern patterns that the game uses. A rewording of Tegyrius's special to make the counter similar to an Anarch counter (burn if changing sect) also brings the older card in-line with newer design principles, but at the expense of updating the text (still an option). Simply changing the ruling on how to interpret "is considered" requires no text updates and streamlines the game to have one less pattern to consider.