Mata Hari & Orun

10 Jun 2011 07:36 - 07 Feb 2013 11:12 #4987 by Ankha

Mata Hari & Orun was created by Ankha

Assuming Mata Hari is still independent, can I play an Orun on her?
Assuming I can, can she have more Orun on her than her capacity?

Name: Mata Hari
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ravnos
Group: 4
Capacity: 7
Discipline: aus for qui CHI OBF
Independent. Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that required sect and/or clan.

Name: Orun
Cardtype: Master
Master: trifle.
Put this card on a Laibon. For non-Orun cards played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller, this Laibon is considered to have 2 additional capacity. A Laibon gets an additional vote for every three Orun he or she has. If this Laibon successfully bleeds for more than 2 or successfully performs a action against a non-mortal minion, he or she burns one Orun. Burn this card if this Laibon has more Orun and Aye than his or her capacity.

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10 Jun 2011 08:00 #4988 by Haze

Replied by Haze on topic Mata Hari & Orun

Orun does not require a Laibon, so Mata Hari's ability can not be used.

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10 Jun 2011 09:04 #4990 by Lönkka

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Haze wrote: Orun does not require a Laibon

Erm, the card text starts with "Put this card on a Laibon."...

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10 Jun 2011 09:15 #4991 by Suoli

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Lönkka wrote:
Haze wrote: Orun does not require a Laibon

Erm, the card text starts with "Put this card on a Laibon."...

If it was "...that you control" then it might indirectly require a Laibon but probably not in a way that Mata Hari would care about. As it is, you can play Orun on someone else's Laibon even if you don't control one.

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10 Jun 2011 09:23 #4992 by Pascal Bertrand

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Due to the ruling about Transcendant Laibon (which I ask by mail by will re-ask publicly, but the idea is: you can use the Burn Option when you don't have a Laibon with 3 Ayes/Oruns).

So, "Put this card on a Laibon" seems to be a requirement to me.
The burning part seems to be an effect of the card in play, so unless Mata turns Laibon, it won't trigger.

I'll ask Scott for confirmations.

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10 Jun 2011 09:34 #4993 by Juggernaut1981

Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Mata Hari & Orun

This card does not require a laibon to play, it must target a laibon. So the only parallel I can think of is:

Can you play Into the Fire or Out of the Pan on Mata Hari? If yes, then you can play Orun on Mata Hari.

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