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"As Played" Window Ruling Contradictions?
Main rulebook does state "immediately". That causes confusion, as immediately (at least to me), means IMMEDIATELY, not "immediately after people refuse to play DI or otherwise cancel your card, and as-played window closes".
I understand the ruling, and the need for it. Just, maybe it would be neat to trim up and update main rulebook a bit, or vice-versa?
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nc-italy wrote: I've already quoted actual text stating that you replace immediadely the card whenever you play one, which can lead to misunderstandings if confronted with rule sentenced above in the rulebook
Which is immediately preceded by text telling you to wait for cancel effects.
Rulebook wrote: Playing Cards. There are four main types of library cards: convictions, master cards, minion cards and event cards. Convictions are put in play during the untap phase (see details in the Imbued Rules appendix); master cards are played by Methuselahs; minion cards are played by the minions (vampires and allies) the Methuselahs control; event cards are put into play during the discard phase to represent events that affects the World of Darkness as a whole (see section
. Master cards have no icon at the top of the attribute bar while the other cards have an icon there that indicates what type of card it is. A card is played by placing it face up in the playing area or by showing it to the other players and placing it face up in the ash heap. The player completely declares the effect of the card when it is played.
Some effects can cancel a card "as it is played." These effects (and effects that grant the ability to play them, like Forced Awakening) are the only effects allowed during the "as played" time period of another card. Even drawing to replace cards comes after this time period.
Drawing Cards. Whenever you play a library card from your hand, you immediately draw another from your library to replace it (unless card text says otherwise, of course). If your library is empty, then you do not draw to replenish your hand, but you continue to play. The number of cards in your hand should always match your hand size (cards that are replaced later reduce your hand size for the duration of the effect). Whenever they don't match (when an effect changes your hand size or adds or removes cards from your hand, for example), immediately discard down to or draw up to your hand size.
This is not infering anything from context. It's actually reading the words that are there and not selectively quoting them.
Play card.
Cancel happens before replace. This is explained before you're ever told to replace anything.
Now replace - but you've just been told this happens after cancellation. In the immediately preceeding sentence. Go-go gadget attention span!
The moral is: don't take sentences in a random order. Actually read the whole section.
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And I agree that term immediately means "right away". If cards are not replaced immediately all the time, that term should not describe time of replacement. In fact word immediately is obsolete in a given marked sentence, and meaning is the same if you erase the word. And more accurate, I might add.
Ignorance is bliss.
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