Bleed vs Burn

Lönkka wrote: Old versions of the cards already given an errata have existed for years on end and I do not remember people complaining much about them.

Say, Majesty anybody?

On a similar note:
Copies of banned cards still exist. Ain't that problematic?

Ankha wrote: We have a new player that is a bit confused by the mix of old versions / new versions of Majesty.

Both sides of the argument have merit, but without some kind of card pool rotation in place or at least an indicator printed on the card that can show what is the newest version is, things are always going to be sticky.

self biased wrote: my intent was to show that there are several camps of thought with regard to the health of the game overall, and none of these different groups want the same thing, though there is some overlap in the big picture. What one group wants and thinks is 'best' for the overall health of the game, other groups are opposed to it

Obviously there are different opinions - it's normal for any shared human activity. The key problem, as I see it, is that "doing nothing group" most of the time was forcing it's will on the whole community, because, obviously, its much harder to advocate for the change than against it even when the game is abandoned and it's only fellow players you have to convince.

As a result most other groups are leaving (actually - have already left) the game or, in rare cases of dedicated individuals, start the topics such as this one. Hight end tournament crowd is fine and is quite important for any serious game, but all other groups are also important, especially for a vampire urban fantasy.

By the way, to somehow return to the initial topic - the idea of losing pool was present in the original game in the form of Army of rats card, which was cumulative at the time, opening alternative way of win for animalism decks. But they was actually changed into irrelevance as the card is now. So, obviously, not all change is good

The best thing I ever saw in a ccg was when 7th sea ccg errata/most recent printing a whole bunch of unplayable cards. The manner is which it was done was elegant. The cards all did what they did before and also had a second option to play them as so that if you had an old copy it did what it said, there was just another mode on the card too. Not sure if this would extend to vtes but anyway.

It was a nice way they added value to your collection. As it stands currently if you split your collection into playable boxes and junk boxes you would have more junk boxes. Collection isn't really worth much, just takes up a lot of space.