Weenie Political

This rule seems to have no purpose to me other than get fools to buy the new cards. How does this 'grouping' actually violate the sanctity of the game???

The grouping rule was, in a nutshell, added to retain the possibility to print new, exciting vampires without giving players the possibility to "dial a crypt".

There are hundreds of posts regarding the subject on the old usenet group where people basically said the same thing, but in the end the grouping rule turned out great. It's ok for you to disagree, but you'd simply be wrong.

I dislike the tone of this post.

We did *Try* to play without card limits and the lack of fun that this brought made the group by full consensus change our rules.

When you bleed someone for the 13th straight time with a telepathic counter it gets old....and not fun...

Ye see, like I said I don't mind if you and your playgroup want to play with card limits. I don't mind if you want to limit yourself and your playgroup to playing the only archtypes that actually work under card limits. I'd go and explain to you that decks are actually *more* boring and *more* restricted under a card limit rule, but at this point in time that feels like I'd be wasting time typing it up.

I'm merely pointing out that the game was designed without card limits in mind (as your Jyhad rulebook will point out quite literally) and that many, many, MANY cards are almost unplayable under a card limit and that there are thousands of people playing competitive VTES without card limit and NONE of them experience the usual arguments in favor of card limit (which mostly consist of "Mr Suitcase" and "boring bleed decks" both of which are wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start).

I don't mind that you want to play VTES as you and your group see fit. Power to you and keep doing it. Just realize that this forum represents the community that plays competitive VTES and thus plays by the latest set of rules and doesn't know what card limits are. Any advice you're asking for will be given with the actual rules of the game in mind and not with someone's houserules.

Almightyray wrote: This rule seems to have no purpose to me other than get fools to buy the new cards. How does this 'grouping' actually violate the sanctity of the game???

You could not be further away from the truth. It is exactly the opposite: the grouping rule is what keeps crypts with old vampires only competitive. Let's take 2 players: Alice stopped buying after when the Grouping rule was introduced. Bob has all the cards. According to the Secret Library , Alice builds her crypts from a choice of 507 vampires.

If there was no grouping rule, Bob would build his crypts from choice of 1370 vampires. Thanks to the grouping rule, that range decreases to 665 at most (groups 3-4 are the most crowded ones). In which case does Alice stand a fair chance?