If the game would go into print, should there be changes to old cards?

elotar wrote: We he can't show me 10 year old numbers?

No, why should he have to? You can´t trust him enough on his word? And White Wolfs numbers I´m not sure anyone can give us, unless like someone who worked there at the time has them. Again, why is this important? White Wolf didn´t "lose hope of the product" because of low sales. Don´t you remember what happened? Gehenna, nWoD, no MMORP and so on? Do you want me to explain the history of (old) White Wolfs last years?

Ashur wrote: No, why should he have to?

Because if you are telling something you have to be ready to back it up, if you'll be asked. Why this concept is so hard for you to grasp?

elotar wrote:

Ashur wrote: No, why should he have to?

Because if you are telling something you have to be ready to back it up, if you'll be asked. Why this concept is so hard for you to grasp?

So he should show you his company's financial figures purely for your personal edification? That's fucking stupid.

Ashur wrote: And White Wolfs numbers I´m not sure anyone can give us, unless like someone who worked there at the time has them. Again, why is this important? White Wolf didn´t "lose hope of the product" because of low sales. Don´t you remember what happened? Gehenna, nWoD, no MMORP and so on? Do you want me to explain the history of (old) White Wolfs last years?

V:TES was profitable for White Wolf. It wasn't profitable on the scale of, say, V:tM, Werewolf, or Mage, but it was profitable. The only reason why it was discontinued was because CCP wanted to get completely out of the pen and paper business, including the distribution and fulfillment storage and logistics involved. A very serious effort was made by a third party to get the V:TES licenses when CCP made this decision (a couple years prior to the Design Team forming) , but that didn't work out.

elotar wrote:

Ashur wrote: Why is the amount of cards a problem for the game to be printed again?

www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/11/5/a-new-stage-of-growth/ '

In general it just cost too much for everybody involved to maintain production capacity, stocks and channels of introducing new players to the game.

White Wolf was also concerned about this with respect to V:TES. However, with modern production options, such as print-on-demand, the burden on retailers to maintain high stock levels is much less of an issue. When the Design Team was working with OneBookShelf (DriveThruCards.com) on V:TES proposals, the model included "core" products for retailers (boxed sets of preconstructed starter decks), with add-ons and reprints available via print-on-demand.

Kimpan wrote: So what do you think? Is it a good or just bad idea to go and try to fix old/new cards?

I've been outspoken in my view that there are a lot of old and weak cards that can use some updating and overhauling. The ideas behind the cards are fine (Form of the Serpent, for example), but the cards fail in execution. Might as well re-use that design space and improve it. This was done in Camarilla Edition, and it should be done again.

BenPeal wrote: So he should show you his company's financial figures purely for your personal edification?

Holy crap "financial figures"! Sales of discontinued game 10 years ago! What's a problem with you, guys?

At our warhammer forum our distributor regularly discusses present sales of different factions, products and his strategy, and, as I understand, it even helps him in business!