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On Tupdog 7. "problematic card".
I agree with both points!Mael wrote: Actually I'd take it further and say that if you had a deck list for every deck that was at every tournament, it still wouldn't be representative of the decks played in casual play. That doesn't make the TWDA worthless as a tool though, you just have to be aware of it with any conclusions you draw.
Anyway, we're digressing from the point. The important point is don't ban or change Tudog.
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Everyone hates a Tupdog Deck as Prey or Predator.
But you also hear a *sigh* everytime Arika, Una, Cybele, Nergal, Nana, Malk S&B, Giovanni Power Bleed, Garous, Mages or Shambler show up.
It is just a part of the game to be complaining.
Why else should you team up with your crosstable buddy and search for solutions of getting the situation under your control. 
Stop your whining and just play the game.
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Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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In my playgroup you hear players sigh *regardless* of what you bring upLucas Halton wrote: But you also hear a *sigh* everytime Arika, Una, Cybele, Nergal, Nana, Malk S&B, Giovanni Power Bleed, Garous, Mages or Shambler show up.
. And if you bring nothing up they also sigh, because you don't spend pool and it is harder to oust you. Baron of Frankfurt
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