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Repo man and whether or not other Methuselah see the library during search
www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt wrote: Name: Repo Man
[Anarchs:R]
Cardtype: Ally
Cost: 1 blood
Unique ghoul with 1 life. 0 strength, 0 bleed.
If the action to recruit Repo Man is successful, unlock the acting minion at the end of the turn. Repo Man can retrieve the first vehicle you find in your library as a +2 stealth action. You then place the vehicle on any ready minion you control who meets the requirements of the card (pay cost to equip as normal). If none of your ready minions meet the requirements of the card, the card is burned without cost. Shuffle afterward.
Artist: Peter Bergting
When Repo Man performs his action to
1) reveal cards one by one from the top of the library so that other methuselah gain knowledge of those cards as well as the first vehicle?
or
2) look at the cards from top of her library (without revealing to other methuselah) until she comes across first vehicle, shows that to other methusaleh as it's being placed on a minion?
or
3) something else, what?
In addition is there;
4) relevance how the
5) possibility that Repo man
Thanks in advance for answers and clarifications.
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
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In a tournament context another player could demand a judge control the delve, but I doubt that’s actually ever happened, as most decks would have one type of vehicle.
Self oust is always dubious (play-to-win and all), but you would do exactly that.
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Showing cards that you are not permitted by game rules or card text to show is illegal. (The library is hidden to all players normally.) You must conduct the search without revealing the content of your library. As stated by Snodig, in a tournament, you can ask a judge to monitor the search if you believe that something dubious is going on.Kilrauko wrote: 1) reveal cards one by one from the top of the library so that other methuselah gain knowledge of those cards as well as the first vehicle?
or
2) look at the cards from top of her library (without revealing to other methuselah) until she comes across first vehicle, shows that to other methusaleh as it's being placed on a minion?
or
3) something else, what?
Top.Kilrauko wrote: 4) relevance how the search for the "first vehicle" starts, from the top, bottom, middle, at any random point in the library?
You can choose to fail to find a vehicle.Kilrauko wrote: 5) possibility that Repo man search fails to find anything even if there are vehicles in her library? (For example in situation where Repo man's controller first baits block with Repo Man to enable use of hidden lurker. And as that fails choosing not to find expensive pool cost vehicle that would result in her ousting due to being forced to pay it's cost.)
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So to correct myself, with apologies to Snodig and kschaefer.
In addition is there;
4) relevance how the retrieve for the "first vehicle" starts, from the top, bottom, middle, at any random point in the library?
Mainly this is important as there are mechanics by other cards, for example
http://www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt wrote: Name: Heart of Nizchetus
[Third:R, KoT:R, Anthology:1, SP:DoF1]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Unique.
If the bearer is ready during your unlock phase, you can draw up to 3 cards without discarding and then move the same number of cards from your hand to the bottom of your library.
Artist: Patrick McEvoy
Along with other like Blackhorse Tanner etc etc.
Name: Blackhorse Tanner
[BH:U2]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ventrue antitribu
Group: 3
Capacity: 7
Discipline: AUS DOM FOR
Sabbat. Black Hand: Once each turn, when you draw a card from your library, you may place that card on the bottom of your library and draw a new card.
Artist: Andrew Trabbold
that enable methuselah to manipulate her library order on the bottom, enabling perhaps meaningful choice on what the retrieved "first vehicle" happens to be depending on the starting position of such retrieve.
The "Retrieve" word and meaning also affects whether or not we can fall back to old LSJ "able to fail search for ally with The Summoning" that then applies to all searches and gives out to "fail" on search that would result in self-oust by being forced to pay too high pool cost.
In addition is there;
5) possibility that Repo man retrieve fails to find anything even if there are vehicles in her library? (For example in situation where Repo man's controller first baits block with Repo Man to enable use of hidden lurker. And as that fails choosing not to find expensive pool cost vehicle that would result in her ousting due to being forced to pay it's cost.)
Sorry for possible additional trouble and time spent on this, as "old" player I automatically thought start from the top, don't reveal, tournament official help if required -ruling but the new players from MTG got me into thinking closer to the card and how it works vs how I think it should work.
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kschaefer wrote:
You can choose to fail to find a vehicle.Kilrauko wrote: 5) possibility that Repo man search fails to find anything even if there are vehicles in her library? (For example in situation where Repo man's controller first baits block with Repo Man to enable use of hidden lurker. And as that fails choosing not to find expensive pool cost vehicle that would result in her ousting due to being forced to pay it's cost.)
No, this is not a "search" effect. Repo Man retrieves the first vehicle found, even if it ousts you, or would contest etc. (Just like Vast Wealth.)
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