New set in 2012

Vermeulen wrote: So, for a game you have shelled load´s of €/$ , you are complaining about a pack of shields for your deck?

Do you mean, "Are you complaining about the cost of deck sleeves?" No, I am not complaining about the cost of deck sleeves.

So,what are you complaining about then?

Vermeulen wrote: So,what are you complaining about then?

The manner by which these cards are being "printed" effectively requires players to sleeve their decks. It's analogous to allowing people who play with VEKN-approved beads to begin the game with 31 pool - it gives them a small edge over players who choose not to use VEKN-approved beads. The effect of this in actual play is greatly reduced by the new set being only crypt cards, since you already know I'm not playing with any vampires from the new Blood-Dimmed Tides set if the first vampire I influence out is Anson, regardless of whether or not my crypt is sleeved. But if future fan sets include library cards, not sleeving becomes more important.

Not a huge deal, and not to worry, my panties remain unbunched. But I think that the official announcement of this new set is a good reason to open a serious discussion about why proxies are not going to be allowed in tournament play when the VEKN is already allowing non-WW cards in competitive play.

Succulent Vitae and Thin Blood are wallpaper. They are cards that no one ever use - isn´t that the definition of wallpaper?

Kushiel wrote: Not a huge deal, and not to worry, my panties remain unbunched. But I think that the official announcement of this new set is a good reason to open a serious discussion about why proxies are not going to be allowed in tournament play when the VEKN is already allowing non-WW cards in competitive play.

Indeed, if this fan set is considered a success, VEKN will have to make some tough decisions. Especially if that coincides with a greater demand for cards that are OOP.

Before HttB some people argued that is worse than , afterward those people are silent. Coincidence ?

@Ashur, most cards are wallpaper. How many combat cards from said combat-oriented discipline is played ? There are 19 cards, people play 2 - selective silence and tod, both of those are mediocre. Out of 13 actions, Loss and Truth of Blood are useful, rest is useless. Only Black Sunrise and Blood Awakening are played form reactions, some decks sports deed of heart desire. And thats it.
Quietus don't do anything unique that is worth playing, it's weak in combat, have no good non-bleed actions and don't help in blocking. What is the point in playing quietus then ? It's similar to and that is also useless outside combat, but at least those two are useful in combat.