New card idea: bounce + damage

Ashur wrote: I agree, the card should be pot-dom. This thing with all disciplines made able to do anything is not good.

True, that's why basic effects in the game, like bleed bounce should be disciplineless. See Wake With Evening's Freshness for an effect that would have warped the game horribly, likely killing it, if it were Thaumaturgy, like it is in the RPG.

ICL wrote: True, that's why basic effects in the game, like bleed bounce should be disciplineless.

Which it is.

Cyrus wrote:

ICL wrote: True, that's why basic effects in the game, like bleed bounce should be disciplineless.

Which it is.

It's awkward to always say "good bleed bounce should be disciplineless, by good I mean Deflection/Telepathic Misdirection level of quality" when that's what you mean.

I could of course be excruciatingly specific so that I don't confuse people who miss the point, but then, so many people don't agree that inferior Deflection should be a disciplineless effect playable by any vampire of capacity 5 or higher that no matter what is written about bleed bounce's role in the game, it's just all a waste of words.